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If Fog Creek doesn't trust their EBS why should we?

Since Fog Creek refuses to say anything about when they might release FogBugz 7, even after the beta testing has begun, aren't they in fact admitting that their EBS doesn't work?

If they don't trust it, why should we?
Greg
Thursday, May 7, 2009
 
 
We trust and use EBS. We have used it throughout the entire development process to help us understand how our goals mesh with reality.  Having a date and publishing that date are two very different things.

We don't publish any of our projected dates because we don't want to make a commitment that we later find out we can't keep.  EBS has been very useful for us in the development of FogBugz 7.
Rich Armstrong Send private email
Thursday, May 7, 2009
 
 
EBS is fine for getting a delivery date estimate based on your own estimates for specific issues. In a beta testing phase you're inevitably going to come up with a whole load of new issues, whether for bug fixing, re-scoping, de-scoping, and even new features.

So... you have a moving target that will eventually settle down.
Nick Pierpoint Send private email
Friday, May 8, 2009
 
 
So what purpose does EBS server?  The running gag on the StackOverflow blog is "6 to 8 weeks".  Joel chastised Jeff for not using FogBugz, entering all their tasks, and thus being able to know, with more precision, when SO would be ready to go public.  However, you seem to be saying EBS could not really have done that anyway.

There is a lot of overhead associated with using EBS.  Everyone has to invest a lot of time breaking down their tasks into tiny pieces, entering them into FB, phantom tasks have to be created to allocate blocks of time that will go to unexpected issues, etc.  Yet, after all this effort, it still comes down to, "Who knows when it will be done.  It will be done when it's done."

I don't get it.  It seems to me that all of the effort that was put into this functionality, of ambiguous value, could have been put to better use.

In the words of a general manager, "How does EBS make us more money?" 

In the words of a programmer (me), "How does EBS make me more productive?"
Greg
Friday, May 22, 2009
 
 

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